Hi Kent -- Welcome back to the Omaha Perl Mongers! Nice talking to you last night & the .NET user group. (I was only 4 minutes late picking up my son. Not too bad. -grin-) Since I missed it three years ago, any chance I can talk you into presenting this again? http://www.tegels.org/tegels_index.html Kent's Perl & XML presentation for Omaha's Perl Mongers on 24 July 2003. j