-laugh- Looks like someone forwarded my post to a newsgroup that I can't read... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/tw.bbs.comp.lang.perl/browse_thread/thread/736b3340a6a6c3a0/1de9dffd7a2422d3?lnk=st&q=%22jay+hannah%22&rnum=4#1de9dffd7a2422d3 I wonder if the Chinese word for "jackass" is in there anywhere. Laugh, j