This wiki page is my collection of factoids as I try to understand what Dahut is and on what basis it is a Perl Monger group. Feel free to add information to this wiki which helps us Perl Monger admin types understand. Thanks. --[[User:Jhannah|Jhannah]] 16:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC) dahut.pm.org DNS got shut off. Here's [[User:Perigrin|Perigrin]]'s backup on his server: http://dahut.prather.org/index.pl ==Con== * Spam on the website (now removed). * The group is non-geographical... so almost no meetings? * No one except [[User:Perigrin|Perigrin]] has posted to the mailing list since Nov 2007. If no one uses the mailing list why does it exist? ==Pro== 11:12 <@mst> jhannah: well, people have been attending YAPCs as representatives thereof for some time 11:12 <@mst> jhannah: it's another metamonger group like the outlying #london.pm people 11:12 < gbjk> There's a group for #l.pm outlyers? 11:13 <@mst> gbjk: well, I'm sure tannie considers herself an l.pm member for e.g. 11:14 <@mst> jhannah: castaway is also a defacto member but she just had to shut her machine down 11:15 <@mst> jhannah: and Bender is official group leader, an ordained minister, and probably more important to the smooth running of irc.perl.org than any given ircd. 11:16 <@mst> jhannah: the entire thing's a perl community in-joke. but it's -our- in-joke. 11:16 <@mst> jhannah: it feels like you deleted an Acme:: module off CPAN for not being a proper distribution with an active maintainer 11:17 <@mst> and if any of the relevant resources need cleanup, I will happily take over hosting for them. 11:18 <@mst> jhannah: also, one of the pause admins is a member, but he won't be able to weight in due to being busy on honeymoon (darobin) 11:29 <@mst> jhannah: basically, I'm not sure it should technically have been allowed to be created 11:29 <@mst> jhannah: but people attend conferences as dahut.pm members 11:29 * Bender hides from the chaotic noise 11:30 <@mst> jhannah: so as a long-standing semi-group semi-running-joke, I think it should continue to exist 11:30 <@mst> jhannah: it's part of the perl sense of humour :) 11:35 <@mst> jhannah: I don't find the mailing list convincing to continue to exist, necessarily 11:35 <@mst> jhannah: but the dahut.pm.org site itself should.
Subject: Dahut.pm petition
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:21:15 +0000 (UTC)
From: Matt Sergeant

Jay,

Dahut.pm is a loose collection of old school perl geeks who communicate with each other infrequently just as friends. We probably don't *really* need a .pm group, and we probably don't *really* need a mailing list from you guys - we're perfectly capable of setting one up ourselves,but we have contributed significantly to the growth of perl (see my CPAN dir for example) and we try and still talk occasionally. We're typical guys really - even forgetting to send each other christmas cards.

So please, let us keep our friendship group on pm.org. We promise we won't start a bar brawl.

Matt.
13:54 btw, before I wandered off, I wanted to let you know why dahut.pm.org -- as a wiki or a mailing list -- is inactive, while the group is still valid 13:55 we mostly meet on IRC, but that happens almost every day. We talk about perl all the time, probably more so than geographically-oriented groups 13:56 what channel(s)? 13:56 #axkit-dahut 13:56 all irc.perl.org? 13:56 yup 13:56 there's aso a lot of people who also talk on #dbix, #moose, etc. 13:57 cool. thx for the info. ya, mst is already slapping me around. :)
From: Christoph Wild
Date: August 10, 2008 6:12:58 AM CDT

Hi Jay,

as Chris Prather wrote to our mailing list the Perl Monger support team has gotten the impression that our group is a dead one as there are very few posts on the mailing list.

For me personally the group of people organised in Dahut PM has been an invaluable source of information on Perl and xml in the last years. Had I not had the means to talk to people like Kip, Chris, or Matt (or everyone else) I would not have been able to push those technologies here at i-med (and before that at the LFU) in the way I have. Right now - apart from our main website - we are using a lot of Perl stuff to run our applications.

In addition I think that one of the great things about Dahut PM is the fact that it's members are coming from all over the planet and from different language backgrounds. The common interest connecting us is - you might guess it - Perl ;)

A lot of our communication is done via IRC but we also do use the mailing list. I therefore would greatly appreciate it if we could stay an official Perl Mongers Group even if we are not as high profile (and volume) as London PM or the likes.

If you need more information please do feel free to contact me.

Best regards,

Chris
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From: Kjetil Kjernsmo
Date: August 10, 2008 1:34:17 PM CDT

Hay Jay! ;-)

Yup, there is a lot of life in among dahuts. We happen to use IRC a lot more than mailing lists, though. Also, we're at an age where people are getting married and getting kids. And I've been forced to write Java right now. That will hopefull change soon.

Still, dahut.pm certainly is useful to me, as it happens, there are two of us in W3C's eGov Interest Group, so we're taking over the worlds Governments! ;-)

Cheers,

Kjetil
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From: Michael Kröll
Date: August 10, 2008 2:21:29 PM CDT

Jay,

Being a member of Dahut.pm made me visit my first YAPC::Europe in Paris 2003. Being non-geographical, group members surely did not meet physically as in a regular group, but virtually more or less daily at #axkit-dahut @irc.perl.org A lot of CPAN module implementations, not only of the ones authored by Dahut.pm members, have been - and still are - discussed there.

For next week's YAPC::Europe a Dahut.pm BOF is planned again.

Despite most of the activity of Dahut.pm is channeled via IRC and not more "traditional" channels like E-Mail lists and/or a Wiki, it is very much active and therefore I hope that the official status as a monger group would be preserved!

Michael Kröll
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From: Kip Hampton
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:04:52 -0700

Hi Jay.

I heard over the weekend that there was a plan afoot to shut down the Dahut.pm Perl Mongers group. I'm writing in opposition to that plan to pull the plug.

Its true that, unlike, say, Boston.pm or Paris.pm, the Dahut group is "virtual". Members are scattered all over the globe and, as a practical matter, we don't do some of the things that "regular" .pms do (no monthly technical or social meetings, no local community outreach to other technical or service organizations, etc.). Despite our scattershot geographical distribution, however, the Dahuts fit every other criterion of an active and activist Perl community: we coordinate on maintaining and developing modules for CPAN, we work together on both the topics and content of the books, presentations, and other educational materials that we present to the community at large, and, perhaps most importantly, we're always the funnest table at the bar during YAPC and OSCON conferences.

It is also true that our membership is small and that our .pm mailing list and wiki have fallen into disuse. Mostly, we're victims of our own success. While most members chat with one another daily on IRC, the reality is that the each member of the original Dahut core has gone on to distinguish themselves both as Perl hackers and in the broader technical world and we simply don't have the time to kick things around that we used to. These days, we're more likely to pair off on specific projects (or get one another hired in as an issue expert) than we are to go after more generic projects as group.

I ask you to please reconsider your decision to pull the plug on Dahut.pm. We may be a pack of irreverent absurdists but the Dahuts are no joke. As for the mailing list and wiki, I'm willing to personally commit time to make sure that the yard stays mowed and the papers don't pile up on the front steps.

Thanks for your consideration,
Kip Hampton, Dahut.pm member in good standing.

ps: I should note that, as a group, the Dahuts are not above naked bribery and/or extortion. This means that, should your decision go our way, you can expect to drink for free at least one night at the next conf you attend with a significant Dahut contingent and that you can trust our entire membership to state publicly that any rumors relating to your special fondness for woodchucks are categorically not true and anyway it was just that once and you said you were sorry.
==Petition to keep Dahut alive== * Via RT: [[User:Perigrin|Perigrin]] * Via IRC: mst, Nacho * Via this wiki: castaway, xtoph, ct * Via email: Christoph Wild, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Michael Kröll